Beyond Tragedy: How Masterworks Unite Calm-Inducing Mandalas, Opposites and “Divine Comedy” | The Cave of Apelles

What are the key factors of masterworks such as The Flaying of Marsyas by Titian? David Molesky, Sebastian Salvo, and Jan-Ove Tuv sit down to talk about myths, perspective on life, archetypes, eternity and more.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Titian’s Flaying of Marsyas: two stories in one
05:10 “Long looking” and movies that go inwards
09:56 Masterpieces are calming like Mandalas
17:01 Repetitions and the comfort of archetypes
20:16 Collectivity & individuality, sky & earth
27:40 David successfully identifying as an elk
30:13 Strive, but do not strain
40:26 Making timeless patterns in your brain
44:13 Recognizing your own talent in another painter
49:09 Creation myths and Greek sculptures: a unity of opposites
59:16 Continuing work on paintings owned by collectors
1:02:30 Every masterpiece is a sign and easy to read
1:05:26 The eternal, human face or inside jokes
1:11:27 “Divine comedy”: a level up from tragedy?
1:19:20 Uniting laughter and sorrow

This episode featured David Molesky, Sebastian Salvo & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts’ Hope.



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  • Apelles was asked why he touched and retouched his pictures with so much care, to which he replied:
    "I paint for eternity"