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Establishing Fine Art as a Religion of Purity: Reading Larry Shiner’s The Invention of Art | Part 3

Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner’s book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture.

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Chapter markers:
00:00 Biggest takeaways so far
05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm
08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts
10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“
12:12 Art as religion
19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes
24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom
27:29 “The descent of the artisan“
34:41 Architecture: art or craft…?
41:49 The term “disinterestedness“
45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“
48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat?
55:40 Modernism 1890-1930
1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles
1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“
1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division
1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative?
1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts

This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel.
The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts’ Hope.

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  • Apelles was asked why he touched and retouched his pictures with so much care, to which he replied:
    "I paint for eternity"