Why Human Beings Primarily see the World through the Poetic Lens | Interview with William Heimdal | The Cave of Apelles

Carl Korsnes sits down with the young Norwegian painter William Heimdal, who suggests that we are condemned to choose our stories about the world and that a symbolistic approach is more constructive than a materialistic one. Indeed, he even suggests that it will benefit all kitschmen, setting participation in culture radically up against entertainment. Heimdal presents Orthodox Christianity as the solution.

Chapters from this episode:
01:30 The poetic lense
16:14 High and low level poetry
19:18 Poetic and materialistic attitude
23:05 Odd Nerdrum bridges heaven and earth
26:30 Improving the viewer
32:03 Giving meaning to life
35:04 Literal or poetic interpretation of stories
43:35 Falling in love when you know more about the person
46:59 Would you die if you saw God?
52:52 Most primal biblical stories and a hierarchy of myths
01:00:29 Sense of belonging through symbols
01:05:08 Stirner, Zizek and Orthodox Christianity
01:11:04 Heimdal’s painting of David and Goliath

This episode was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum.
The centerpiece was William Heimdal’s self-portrait as David with the head of Goliath.


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  • Apelles was asked why he touched and retouched his pictures with so much care, to which he replied:
    "I paint for eternity"