Ep 16 — Nic Thurman on the Memorosa Group, Edvard Munch’s Decline and the Correct Signifiers of Kitsch | The Cave of Apelles

Why did Edvard Munch bow to Art after successfully emulating the techniques of the old masters? Perhaps the philosophy of kitsch could serve as a solution for contemporary classical painters that are trying to cultivate their virtue in a minefield of Art. But how do you differentiate between correct and incorrect kitsch signifiers?

Watch Jan-Ove Tuv’s conversation with the American painter Nic Thurman, an original member of the Memorosa group. Thurman studied with Jeremy Caniglia at the Creighton Preparatory School for three years before he went to study with Odd Nerdrum. He is concerned with the late style of Titian and Rembrandt, but also the early Edvard Munch.


Jan-Ove Tuv visiting Nic Thurman in his studio. This content is exclusive to patrons.

EXCLUSIVELY for PATRONS: in the bonus material, Tuv visits Thurman in his studio, where he is working on a large-scale composition of two lovers. They talk about technique, methods of storytelling, and lay out books on the table to compare Edvard Munch’s work to Rembrandt’s.

Back in the studio, Tuv asks Thurman some personal questions and tests his knowledge with the “Do you know Art and Kitsch history?” quiz.

At the end, Tuv presents the ten minute excerpt of the upcoming documentary on the Memorosa Group, showing Javier Adams, Sebastian Salvo, and Nic Thurman himself compete to make the best one-hour drawing.

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From the upcoming documentary on the Memorosa group. In the exclusive material for patrons, you will be able to get a sneak peak.


The centerpiece for this conversation was four one-hour drawings by Nic Thurman.
The episode was produced by Bork S. Nerdrum, assisted by Javier Adams and Sebastian Salvo.

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  • Apelles was asked why he touched and retouched his pictures with so much care, to which he replied:
    "I paint for eternity"